[GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button

[Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder]

*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of
"Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the
internet.*


I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:

A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't
get surprised by this change.

Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on
the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem
is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it
does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the
internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors,
such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing
their changes.

There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some
inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences)
get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages)
get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the
label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations
in some languages.

The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big
blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when
you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or
"Publish changes".

The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand
that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is
that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.

This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively
scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you
from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to
update any handouts that you might be using in the future.

Relevant links:

- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage>
(translation
status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges>
(translation
status)



[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be
changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.

[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or
PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general
public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the
revision has been accepted.

[Andy Mabbett]

On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get
surprised by this change.

I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact
it will have in the draft namespace/ AFC in particular, in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish

AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out
of date.

Not to mention videos.

[Gnangarra]

The majority of the work we do isnt publishing, removing copyrighted
content from an article isnt publishing. When discussing issues on talk
people dont see that as publishing but rather discussing.

As someone who has trained a lot of people if the term publish is used
it'll actually be a hindrance to getting them to make even the smallest of
spelling corrections.

Not every language has a word for publish, there are some 300 Indigenous
Australian languages that dont one our biggest challenges in taking the
first Australian Indigenous (Noongar[NYS]) language from incubator to live
is actually in finding the right words for the buttons and menus

Post by Andy Mabbett
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards

the

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about

editing

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get
surprised by this change.

I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(
technical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to

be out

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
of date.

Not to mention videos.
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Jos Damen]

When creating a new article, the term will apparently change from Save to
Publish.

When Editing an existing article, the term is now *Save*. I hope that
button will remain the same?

Jos Damen

PS As an ardent Wikipedian, I totally agree with Grossman 2014 (Wikiwand): "It
didn’t make sense to us that the fifth most popular website in the world,
used by half a billion people, has an interface that hasn’t been updated in
over a decade. We found the Wikipedia interface cluttered, hard to read
(large blocks of small text), hard to navigate, and lacking in terms of
usability."

Post by Gnangarra
The majority of the work we do isnt publishing, removing copyrighted
content from an article isnt publishing. When discussing issues on talk
people dont see that as publishing but rather discussing.
As someone who has trained a lot of people if the term publish is used
it'll actually be a hindrance to getting them to make even the smallest of
spelling corrections.
Not every language has a word for publish, there are some 300 Indigenous
Australian languages that dont one our biggest challenges in taking the
first Australian Indigenous (Noongar[NYS]) language from incubator to live
is actually in finding the right words for the buttons and menus

Post by Andy Mabbett
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards

the

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about

editing

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get
surprised by this change.

I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(t
echnical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going

to be out

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
of date.

Not to mention videos.
--
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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Jos Damen]

apologies. correct version:

When creating a new article, the term will apparently change from *Save* to
Publish.

When Editing an existing article, the term is now *Save changes*. I hope
that button will remain the same?

Jos Damen

PS As an ardent Wikipedian, I totally agree with Grossman 2014 (Wikiwand): "It
didn’t make sense to us that the fifth most popular website in the world,
used by half a billion people, has an interface that hasn’t been updated in
over a decade. We found the Wikipedia interface cluttered, hard to read
(large blocks of small text), hard to navigate, and lacking in terms of
usability."

Post by Jos Damen
When creating a new article, the term will apparently change from Save to
Publish.
When Editing an existing article, the term is now *Save*. I hope that
button will remain the same?
Jos Damen
"It didn’t make sense to us that the fifth most popular website in the
world, used by half a billion people, has an interface that hasn’t been
updated in over a decade. We found the Wikipedia interface cluttered, hard
to read (large blocks of small text), hard to navigate, and lacking in
terms of usability."

Post by Gnangarra
The majority of the work we do isnt publishing, removing copyrighted
content from an article isnt publishing. When discussing issues on talk
people dont see that as publishing but rather discussing.
As someone who has trained a lot of people if the term publish is used
it'll actually be a hindrance to getting them to make even the smallest of
spelling corrections.
Not every language has a word for publish, there are some 300 Indigenous
Australian languages that dont one our biggest challenges in taking the
first Australian Indigenous (Noongar[NYS]) language from incubator to live
is actually in finding the right words for the buttons and menus

Post by Andy Mabbett
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen

towards the

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about

editing

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get
surprised by this change.

I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(techn
ical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going

to be out

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
of date.

Not to mention videos.
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
_______________________________________________
GLAM mailing list
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam

--
GN.
President Wikimedia Australia
WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
_______________________________________________
GLAM mailing list
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[Martin Poulter]

Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other platforms in which you can create a "draft".

Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.

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*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the
internet.*


I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:

A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.

Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.

There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.

The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".

The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.

This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.

Relevant links:

- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage>
(translation
status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges>
(translation
status)



[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.

[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.

[Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder]

Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say
"Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say
"Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that
button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is
what "publish" means.)

Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle
descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you
translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public
domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the
mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or
dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the
same concept for this button.



On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:53 AM Martin Poulter <

Post by Martin Poulter
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that
they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy
explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of
how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish
distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in
draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or
altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other
platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000
Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button
<
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of
"Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the
internet.*
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards
the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't
get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on
the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem
is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it
does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the
internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors,
such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing
their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some
inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences)
get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages)
get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the
label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations
in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big
blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when
you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or
"Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand
that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is
that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively
scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you
from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to
update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
<
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage
(translation
status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
<
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges
(translation
status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be
changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or
PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general
public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the
revision has been accepted.
--
Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing)
Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation
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Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently
handle descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would
you translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public
domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the
mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or
dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the
same concept for this button.

​The point I was highlighting was in response to your original comment, by
noting that publish doesnt have an equivalent translation in languages
either. Yes our challenge has been in the interface translations, as I
said its this piece thats delaying the final step. The solution maybe to
stay with the english words but we are discussing with various community
sources to find a solution.

It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
word has multiple possible translations in some languages.

On 2 March 2017 at 03:03, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder <

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say
"Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say
"Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that
button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is
what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle
descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you
translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public
domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the
mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or
dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the
same concept for this button.

Post by Martin Poulter
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that
they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy
explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of
how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish
distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in
draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or
altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other
platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000
Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button
<CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms-
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of
"Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the
internet.*
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards
the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't
get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on
the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem
is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it
does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the
internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors,
such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing
their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some
inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences)
get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages)
get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the
label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations
in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the
big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes"
(when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish
page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand
that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is
that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively
scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you
from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to
update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage>
(translation
status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges>
(translation
status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be
changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or
PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general
public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the
revision has been accepted.
--
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Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation
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[Jos Damen]

Thanks for this clarification. Will this change effect the English version
of Wikipedia as well as Wikimedia Commons?

Jos

2017-03-01 20:03 GMT+01:00 Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder <

Post by Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder
Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say
"Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say
"Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that
button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is
what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle
descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you
translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public
domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the
mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or
dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the
same concept for this button.

Post by Martin Poulter
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that
they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy
explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of
how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish
distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in
draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or
altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other
platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
-----Original Message-----
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:50:52 +0000
Subject: [GLAM] Changes to the 'Save' button
<CABaZQeg-iS2B__TYKimdwh5QefAVr5yNGVg9Qms-
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of
"Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the
internet.*
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards
the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't
get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on
the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem
is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it
does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the
internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors,
such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing
their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some
inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences)
get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages)
get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the
label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations
in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the
big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes"
(when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish
page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand
that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is
that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively
scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you
from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to
update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage>
(translation
status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges>
(translation
status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be
changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or
PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general
public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the
revision has been accepted.
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This change will affect all the wikis except Wikinews (when the deployment
is complete), in all languages.

Post by Jos Damen
Thanks for this clarification. Will this change effect the English version
of Wikipedia as well as Wikimedia Commons?
Jos
2017-03-01 20:03 GMT+01:00 Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder <
Jos, where the button currently says "Save page", it will later say
"Publish page". Where it currently says "Save changes", it will later say
"Publish changes". (Even if you are blanking the page, when you click that
button, you are making your version "available to the public", which is
what "publish" means.)
Gnangarra, in the languages that concern you, how do you currently handle
descriptions of copyright and free licenses? For example, how would you
translate "Works published in the U.S. before 1923 are in the public
domain" or the statement in the Terms of Use that says that part of the
mission is to "empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content and either publish it under a free license or
dedicate it to the public domain" ? The translators should be using the
same concept for this button.
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:53 AM Martin Poulter <
Personally, I welcome this change. Some trainees just do not pick up that
they are changing the live version of the site, even after lengthy
explanations and demonstrations: it just goes against their experience of
how the web works. Some very, very popular sites have this Save/ Publish
distinction. I see that there can be some confusion about "Publish" in
draft space, but I think people need to be reminded that creating or
altering a draft is making something visible to the public, unlike other
platforms in which you can create a "draft".
Thanks for the explanation, Sherry.
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*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of
"Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the
internet.*
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards
the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't
get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on
the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem
is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it
does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the
internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors,
such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing
their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some
inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences)
get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages)
get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the
label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations
in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big
blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when
you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or
"Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand
that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is
that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively
scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you
from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to
update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to
figure out if this gets postponed again)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishpage
<
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage
(translation
status)
- Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges
<
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges
(translation
status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be
changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or
PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general
public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the
revision has been accepted.
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